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1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
15 years 1 week ago #5783
by 928mac
Replied by 928mac on topic 1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
Stan, I wish you luck. I see you have all the best people on this as is what I would do after 4 years.
Let me know if it is a standard and if it is for sale. Sorry,
I guess this is one of those stories that people ask when they say "I here the 928 can be a nightmare"
You can answer Yes! want to buy one
Still, you have to remember that it is just a machine.
If you put power to the end of a good wire, the other end will have power.
Speaking of which, I have come across wire that had been probed with a test light, looked good, showed voltage, but only had 1 or 2 strands left inside and would not handle current.
Pulling on wires helps find these ones.
Anyway, good luck.
Brad
Let me know if it is a standard and if it is for sale. Sorry,
I guess this is one of those stories that people ask when they say "I here the 928 can be a nightmare"
You can answer Yes! want to buy one
Still, you have to remember that it is just a machine.
If you put power to the end of a good wire, the other end will have power.
Speaking of which, I have come across wire that had been probed with a test light, looked good, showed voltage, but only had 1 or 2 strands left inside and would not handle current.
Pulling on wires helps find these ones.
Anyway, good luck.
Brad
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15 years 1 week ago #5784
by srshaw3
Replied by srshaw3 on topic 1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
Thank you both, I don't anticipate it being for sale, I have been a 928 owner for 20+ years, and getting a GT was a long term goal. (yes, Brad it is a manual, as always with a GT).
I don't expect to get to it until at least next week, as I have a day at Lime Rock Saturday with the M3.
I am nothing, if I am not persistent. I have never been beat by a problem, and don't plan on starting now. I have always claimed my greatest technical strength is problem determination, this will be just another one.
I don't expect to get to it until at least next week, as I have a day at Lime Rock Saturday with the M3.
I am nothing, if I am not persistent. I have never been beat by a problem, and don't plan on starting now. I have always claimed my greatest technical strength is problem determination, this will be just another one.
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15 years 1 week ago #5789
by 928 Go Go Joe
Replied by 928 Go Go Joe on topic 1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
Hi Stan,
Sorry you are having trouble with your car. I'm not an expert, but if you have checked out/swapped out all major components, I'd strongly suspect the wiring harness itself. Is it possible to swap the IMS harness with another one? Or carefully inspect the wiring and determine it is able to carry the required voltage. Often, it's the simplest thing that is the culprit. Remember, that is 20 year old wiring in there.
Best regards,
Joe B.
Sorry you are having trouble with your car. I'm not an expert, but if you have checked out/swapped out all major components, I'd strongly suspect the wiring harness itself. Is it possible to swap the IMS harness with another one? Or carefully inspect the wiring and determine it is able to carry the required voltage. Often, it's the simplest thing that is the culprit. Remember, that is 20 year old wiring in there.
Best regards,
Joe B.
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15 years 1 week ago #5790
by srshaw3
Replied by srshaw3 on topic 1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
After getting the 928 back, I was driving to a racquetball club @25 miles away.
In the first 3 miles of driving it went into 4 cylinder mode perhaps a dozen times while the IMR relay was swapped out and the bypass relay swapped in.
I had given up, and was almost back home when it no longer had the issue. I turned around drove to the club and back without it ever going into 4 cylinder mode again.
On the way down, I went off a random bump, and warnings that the anti-lock brakes and locking differential were disabled. This error did not reoccur on the way back.
On the way back, I did notice the alternator gauge dropped to @12 a few times. I recall this doing so before I brought it in the shop and testing the battery at such times showed 13+, so perhaps one issue might be a connection to the dash cluster. I do have a replacement pod to install too.
On the way back I stopped about halfway and swapped the IMR relay back in. I had no issues.
Like others have suggested, the shop suggested it could easily be a connection somewhere or even just a wire.
I don't expect to get a chance until after Saturday, but I will review the components Sean suggest first, and document what and when I check each.
Thank you all.
In the first 3 miles of driving it went into 4 cylinder mode perhaps a dozen times while the IMR relay was swapped out and the bypass relay swapped in.
I had given up, and was almost back home when it no longer had the issue. I turned around drove to the club and back without it ever going into 4 cylinder mode again.
On the way down, I went off a random bump, and warnings that the anti-lock brakes and locking differential were disabled. This error did not reoccur on the way back.
On the way back, I did notice the alternator gauge dropped to @12 a few times. I recall this doing so before I brought it in the shop and testing the battery at such times showed 13+, so perhaps one issue might be a connection to the dash cluster. I do have a replacement pod to install too.
On the way back I stopped about halfway and swapped the IMR relay back in. I had no issues.
Like others have suggested, the shop suggested it could easily be a connection somewhere or even just a wire.
I don't expect to get a chance until after Saturday, but I will review the components Sean suggest first, and document what and when I check each.
Thank you all.
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15 years 1 week ago #5791
by the flying scotsman
Replied by the flying scotsman on topic 1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
Stan.......by the last description the intermittent issue indicates wiring or the CE to me.
I'd completely remove the fuse/relay panel and all fuses and relays. Inspect thoroughly and replace anything suspect........I'd replace all common relays they're cheap.
Also inspect the back side of all the 'grey'wiring and the associated wiring harness.
good luck
I'd completely remove the fuse/relay panel and all fuses and relays. Inspect thoroughly and replace anything suspect........I'd replace all common relays they're cheap.
Also inspect the back side of all the 'grey'wiring and the associated wiring harness.
good luck
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15 years 1 week ago #5792
by SeanR
Replied by SeanR on topic 1990 928 GT with chronic 4 cylinder mode issue
Yes, sounds like bad ground, intermittent ground and I think I know which one it is.
Pull the air box and MAF. Right side in the V, under the throttle cable pulley is a block ground that is the grounding point for the EZK/LH. There is also the ground for the MAF and a CPS on the left side, in the V. Check those and ensure they are grounded.
Pull the air box and MAF. Right side in the V, under the throttle cable pulley is a block ground that is the grounding point for the EZK/LH. There is also the ground for the MAF and a CPS on the left side, in the V. Check those and ensure they are grounded.
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