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Rough Running 88
13 years 9 months ago #12051
by Slave01
Replied by Slave01 on topic Rough Running 88
Got that right James!
And nice job on those water bottles. Use the all the time.
Thanks!
And nice job on those water bottles. Use the all the time.
Thanks!
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13 years 9 months ago #12052
by the flying scotsman
The DT 999 communicates directly with epus one at a time. It is a reader and does not alter the programming although saying that Ive found the epus struggle to maintain integrity when the engine is running and Theos diag system being operated.
It sounds as if the LH is struggling and the easiest test is to remove it and install in a well running car to see if the symptoms travel.......dont do the other way as perhaps the issue with your car corrupts a perfectly good LH.
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Slave01;12386 wrote: Problem became what it is now after running the diagnostic program. Car went from a little rough to un-driveable.
EZK replaced with unknown quality EZK (used or refurbished?) don't know which. That was 2001 Vertex Miami. Been working OK for 12 years. Thinking about having it looked at along with LH.
The DT 999 communicates directly with epus one at a time. It is a reader and does not alter the programming although saying that Ive found the epus struggle to maintain integrity when the engine is running and Theos diag system being operated.
It sounds as if the LH is struggling and the easiest test is to remove it and install in a well running car to see if the symptoms travel.......dont do the other way as perhaps the issue with your car corrupts a perfectly good LH.
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13 years 9 months ago #12088
by Slave01
Replied by Slave01 on topic Rough Running 88
The LH struggle during diagnosis was expected and confirmed.
Will trying my LH in another car cause that car any trouble? That I can find one is another question.
Thanks Malcolm
Will trying my LH in another car cause that car any trouble? That I can find one is another question.
Thanks Malcolm
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13 years 9 months ago #12139
by xstepson
Replied by xstepson on topic Rough Running 88
No, it won't cause the car any trouble. However, if you plug a known good LH into YOUR car could cause the known good LH trouble.
Did you unplug your O2 sensor, reset, and try starting the car?
Did you replace the Temp 2 sensor yet?
Did you unplug your O2 sensor, reset, and try starting the car?
Did you replace the Temp 2 sensor yet?
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13 years 9 months ago #12142
by the flying scotsman
Replied by the flying scotsman on topic Rough Running 88
It shall cause the other car trouble if your LH is bad.
What we are suggesting is you do not want to put a known good LH into your car where other factors are perhaps corrupting the EPU.
What we are suggesting is you do not want to put a known good LH into your car where other factors are perhaps corrupting the EPU.
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13 years 9 months ago #12150
by wallyp
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Replied by wallyp on topic Rough Running 88
Some "back to basics" comments:
Secondary ignition faults (plug wires, plugs, coils - everything from the primary connection at the coils thru the plugs) tend to get worse as combustion chamber pressures increase. This often means that the problems are worse at near the max torque RPMs with full throttle, less noticeable at light throttle openings.
Injection problems can vary. If one or more injectors are partially plugged, the misfire will be worse at full throttle. If one or more are fully plugged or non-functional, the misfire will be very noticeable at idle, and less noticeable at high engine RPMs with light throttle openings.
The S4 cars have two almost-independent ignition systems. If one system fails (two cylinders on each side of the engine) the roughness will be very noticeable at lower engine RPMs and heavy throttle opening, almost not noticeable at high RPMs and light throttle openings.
The electronic/electrical side of the injection is often an off-or-on deal. If an injector connection shorts out, it kills the entire system. If an injector connector opens, only that injector is dead, and it is usually dead at all speeds - not throttle or speed sensitive.
Mixture problems can be caused by vacuum leaks ("false air" - that is, air that is not measured by the MAF); or by sensor problems (Temp II being most common).
If the Temp II sensors (there are two in the sensor - one for injection, one for ignition) fail, the result depends upon which side fails and how it fails. If the LH side fails open, the fuel/air ratio will be very rich, with poor or no running when the engine gets warm, and very, very hard starting when warm. If the LH side fails by shorting, the engine will run very poorly when cold, and will be hard to start cold. If the ignition side fails, there will be a slight loss in power, but much less effect than if the LH side fails.
Oxygen sensor failure can seriously affect running, but if you just unplug the sensor (the connector is the black wire that runs across the floor at the bottom of the Central Electric Panel), the car should go to "open loop", and should run pretty well.
There are, of course, mechanical problems that can affect running. You might need to pull the belt covers and check the camshaft timing - that is, make sure that the crank and both cams are on the timing marks. A compression test will usually let you know if there is a problem with cam timing.
Secondary ignition faults (plug wires, plugs, coils - everything from the primary connection at the coils thru the plugs) tend to get worse as combustion chamber pressures increase. This often means that the problems are worse at near the max torque RPMs with full throttle, less noticeable at light throttle openings.
Injection problems can vary. If one or more injectors are partially plugged, the misfire will be worse at full throttle. If one or more are fully plugged or non-functional, the misfire will be very noticeable at idle, and less noticeable at high engine RPMs with light throttle openings.
The S4 cars have two almost-independent ignition systems. If one system fails (two cylinders on each side of the engine) the roughness will be very noticeable at lower engine RPMs and heavy throttle opening, almost not noticeable at high RPMs and light throttle openings.
The electronic/electrical side of the injection is often an off-or-on deal. If an injector connection shorts out, it kills the entire system. If an injector connector opens, only that injector is dead, and it is usually dead at all speeds - not throttle or speed sensitive.
Mixture problems can be caused by vacuum leaks ("false air" - that is, air that is not measured by the MAF); or by sensor problems (Temp II being most common).
If the Temp II sensors (there are two in the sensor - one for injection, one for ignition) fail, the result depends upon which side fails and how it fails. If the LH side fails open, the fuel/air ratio will be very rich, with poor or no running when the engine gets warm, and very, very hard starting when warm. If the LH side fails by shorting, the engine will run very poorly when cold, and will be hard to start cold. If the ignition side fails, there will be a slight loss in power, but much less effect than if the LH side fails.
Oxygen sensor failure can seriously affect running, but if you just unplug the sensor (the connector is the black wire that runs across the floor at the bottom of the Central Electric Panel), the car should go to "open loop", and should run pretty well.
There are, of course, mechanical problems that can affect running. You might need to pull the belt covers and check the camshaft timing - that is, make sure that the crank and both cams are on the timing marks. A compression test will usually let you know if there is a problem with cam timing.
Wally Plumley
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www.928gt.com
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