The AO Platform, My Analysis

Totally agree with you... I love both of them. OC Forum seems to be a bit friendlier and less contentious and now has all the same technical write ups in one place that you can find all over (well, we may be missing a few, but we have most of them stored right here). There are more folks routinely over on RL and you can get an answer a bit faster over there, but it is getting better here every day which is nice.

I don't know when voting closes actually...I suspect Stan has answered this below (errr...above this post, below yours) and I just have not read it yet. I know the new officers are not installed till 9/28 right? I always thought 9/28 was the voting day, but clearly I missed the memo on that one! LOL!

polecat702;10675 wrote: I'm a member of this club, and also a paid subscriber of Rennlist too.
I joined the owner's club to attend and support the club and it's events.

I'm a paid subscriber to RL, cause that's where all the technical information is, and when you have a problem, answers come back quick.

I think my money is well spent on both. And both are a damn good value!


When will we know who won the election? The sooner this is over and the bickering stops the better.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net;10664 wrote: Sounds like you intend to put to shame the membership increase of 40% in the last 2 years. What is you intent? Are you going to promise members that you will double or triple the size of the 928 OC? Currently there are over 600 members.



So the key difference is you think by posting in Rennlist, rather than where all this information is currently posted, the 928 OC forums, you will reach members better. Don't you think that is upside down? Like speaking at a Chamber of Commerce event to communicate to the Rotarians... Why not just continue to promote this forum where 365 of the members are registered now. You can't possible know how many 928 OC members are registered at Rennlist, as Rennlist isn't tracking it for you. So even if you communicate there you will have no idea if the members are hearing you. Not to mention if Internet Brands changes its policies about Rennlist, the 928 OC members could be required to pay to see your communications. That means the cost of 928 OC membership jumps by quite a bit, so the value you provide will need to go up.

Just to clarify for the members, will the 928 OC forums be abandoned? Rennlist does not have a 928 Technical Library, a 928 Roadside Assistance Forum or a Members Profile forum. Will you abandon them all? While it is quite late in the game to be laying out your intentions now. I have asked before, and I *am* a member, but you have not answered...

Seems like your vision is that the 928 OC to be a subset of Rennlist. Do you even know how many 928 OC members do not like the atmosphere at Rennlist? The belittling of new posters, the inside jokes, not to mention the 928 OC haters that show disdain for the 928 OC even though they haven't visited the site for many years.

We do know you talk about all the programs the 928 OC should provide, that are already in place, so clearly you are at least out of touch with a club you claim to be ready to lead.

Here is a simple question for you. How much of the accumulated members money will be spent on a national event that 90+% of them will never attend?

Stan,

I am not discounting the work You, James and other shave done over the past couple years. Frankly I'm glad to see membership is up. That's a good thing.

And no, I'm not suggesting we abandon anything here. Never said I would. But if you want to attract new people, you have to go to where the audience is. The audience is not here. Thats not a knock on you, it's jus reality. Someday, people may begin to flock here, but until then we need to take the message to the streets. That's a pretty simple concept, really.

I've never suggested the OC be a subset of RL. I think both can and should exist. The only thing I suggested was that we promote the OC on RL as it has the largest single group of 928 owners in one area. I think DR was the one who suggested the irrelevance of this place and the website.

You suggest that I am out of touch with the benefits the club offers. Why is that? Shouldn't the club, especially given its mission to help me get the most out of my 928, give some level of active communication to its members? Saying that it's posted on a website that frankly very few go to, is like saying you put up a billboard in the middle of the Arizona dessert. Sure it's there but is anyone going to read it?

And to answer your question about how much money we should spend on OCIC and other regional events? I don't know. Maybe $10k, maybe nothing, maybe more, maybe less. How much should we spend on tools that 90% of the members will not use? What about trinkets? What about the website and hosting? What was the budget last year? What is the expected revenue for this year? Is it part of the mission?

I don't expect you to answer those questions, but these are the things I will be thinking about as we consider allocating the roughly $20k in annual dues the club receives and thinking about any reserves the club has.

Do you guys seriously think that the communication to the members on this site is up to par? No way in hell. I just went to the "Regions" tab to browse around. You have Jake Meyers listed as the contact for New Mexico even though he moved to Ohio. You still have Mel Ward listed for FL even though he asked to be replaced two years ago. If you click on the linked "website" next to the contact names you get another dissapointment. The link for the New England region takes you to a great set of pictures from a tech session held 10 years ago. TEN YEARS AGO!?!?!?! Seriously? The link next to Florida takes you to a page that invites you to an event that happened back in 2004 complete with bad contact info and dead hot links. The Mid Atlantic region takes you to a dead link that was hosted on Stan Shaws own servers, Excell.net. The exact same thing happens when you click on the one for South Carolina.

In the events section, the Sharks in the mountains is only covered up until 2009. The most current Frenzy info is from 2010. Third Coast is only current through 2006. Stan Shaw, the same guy who's trying to convince you that nothing needs to change is the one who is responsible for this website and it's contents. As Stan put it, if you want change, vote for Andrew Olson. If you want the same old out-dated info and dead links, by all means the status quo candidate is James Morrison.

While browsing around, I found one more thing. I'm sure there are plenty more. The "928 Journal" has two catergories. "928 Journal" and "928 Journal (old)" The NOT "old" one's newest posting is from 2005. The "old" one goes back before the turn of the century.

Mclovin;10684 wrote: As Stan put it, if you want change, vote for Andrew Olson. If you want the same old out-dated info and dead links, by all means the status quo candidate is James Morrison.

Right, because I remember James saying that he wanted to maintain dead links on the site and out-dated info.

I would think that both candidates will address as many issues as they can. I'm 100% sure the OC will go in a positive direction regardless of who wins. I'm not saying that as a dig on Stan either. He's done as much as he could in the past nine years with his limited volunteer base. We can only go forward, and I believe that will happen.

Hell, I've already got ideas as to how I can help JUST my Region! I'll be looking for a butt-load of OC support. I can only hope that BOTH candidates are willing to put as much regional support forward as is requested (within reason).

Mclovin;10684 wrote: Do you guys seriously think that the communication to the members on this site is up to par? No way in hell. I just went to the "Regions" tab to browse around. You have Jake Meyers listed as the contact for New Mexico even though he moved to Ohio. You still have Mel Ward listed for FL even though he asked to be replaced two years ago. If you click on the linked "website" next to the contact names you get another dissapointment. The link for the New England region takes you to a great set of pictures from a tech session held 10 years ago. TEN YEARS AGO!?!?!?! Seriously? The link next to Florida takes you to a page that invites you to an event that happened back in 2004 complete with bad contact info and dead hot links. The Mid Atlantic region takes you to a dead link that was hosted on Stan Shaws own servers, Excell.net. The exact same thing happens when you click on the one for South Carolina.

In the events section, the Sharks in the mountains is only covered up until 2009. The most current Frenzy info is from 2010. Third Coast is only current through 2006. Stan Shaw, the same guy who's trying to convince you that nothing needs to change is the one who is responsible for this website and it's contents. As Stan put it, if you want change, vote for Andrew Olson. If you want the same old out-dated info and dead links, by all means the status quo candidate is James Morrison.

I am still trying to understand why you bring that up now and how you did it with only 2 post

Now
Lets make something clear if you all want to keep posting on here.
If you have less then a 50-100 post its obvious that you do not spend a lot of time here.
To gain credibility on any forum its best to hang out and ask a few questions relating to the thread

If you come here and slam us with 2 post to your name you wont make many more.

I will not tolerate any rudeness.
You have been warned.